Back in 2014, a young college student in Isla Vista, California posted a chilling YouTube video in which he detailed his violent plan for essentially punishing the world because women wouldn’t sleep with him. He then went on a rampage, stabbing, shooting, and hitting pedestrians with his car, ending up killing 6 people and wounding 14. Elliot Rodger then became the face and at times a bizarre “saint” to the online incel community, a group of (mostly) men who feel entitled to sexual favors from women and further feel justified in their hatred and violent rage when they don’t get it. In fact, Rodger’s appalling crime even became the horrifying inspiration for several incel killers to follow, such as Chris Harper-Mercer, Nikolas Cruz, and Alek Minassian. Tom and Jenny talk about the Isla Vista killings, about Elliot Rodger and his delusional manifesto, and about the larger online “manosphere,” segments of which actually laud crimes of this type as justifiable revenge. It’s a literal battle of the sexes on a live and inebriated episode 268.

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