Tom and Jenny talk about the latest true crime miniseries on Netflix, the second in Joe Berlinger’s Conversations with a Killer series, this one focused on serial killer John Wayne Gacy. It features excerpts from 60 hours of unearthed audio tapes from Gacy and his defense team after Gacy’s capture back in the late 1970s.

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